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| Owenbrittont |
Posted - 10 May 2003 : 18:15:32
A new name in Christ, is a subject that I discussed with Embassy of Heaven.
What are your views on claimimg a new name in Christ, to avoid further worldly entanglement of the registration of you parental given names when you have decided to live under God's laws ? |
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| Av09 |
Posted - 04 Aug 2009 : 00:45:48
Derek,
I think your definatly right about the beast not allowing us to live with one foot in his kingdom. My thoughts are that we should remove ourself from the system, denownce all cards/licenses/debts/citizenship and come out, surviving as a self-sufficient community which still goes out to preach to 'the world', but doesn't ask for problems by using the beasts 'stuff' like roads, transport, air travel etc.
Doesn't mean we dont go anywhere, we just use bikes of horses and we go on the side of the road.
What do you think. I think this makes more sense to me.
Av09
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| Av09 |
Posted - 04 Aug 2009 : 00:11:45
Doer,
But do you really think that the only way to escape being arrested is to know all the legal jargon? If this is the only way, looks like when I free myself from bondage Im going to be in jail for pretty much the rest of my life Id say. Hmm, I hope they have good food.
Av09
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| Oneisraelite |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 06:36:59
Greetings and salutations,
Peace be unto the house.
brother Owen wrote: “Remember Christ was not "registered".”
But this statement was followed by another who wrote: "Yahushua was registered through his Dad Y{J}oseph. If you will notice Luke 2:1-6. Also, somewhat cryptically, "He was numbered with the transgressers"."
So who is right? Well first of all, Yahu’caph [Joseph] knew that Yahushua, being a first-born male, had to be set apart (nazar) unto Yahuwah, as it is written because we read this just a few verses after "Luke 2:1-6".
Luke 2:23 as it has been written in the Law of Yahuwah: Every male opening a womb (first-born) shall be called holy (set apart) to Yahuwah… Ex. 13:1-2
Exodus 13:1 And Yahuwah spoke unto Mosheh saying, 2 Set apart to me every first-born, the one opening the womb among the sons of Yisra'el, among men and among livestock; they shall be Mine.
They are Yahuwah's exclusive property!!
PECU'LIAR, a. [L. peculiaris, from peculium, one's own property, from pecus, cattle.] 1. Appropriate; belonging to a person and to him only. - Webster's 1828 American Dictionary of the English Language
He is a nazirite (naziyr), as it is written, i.e. consecrated (set apart) unto Yahuwah.
For, lo, thou shalt conceive, and bear a son; and no razor shall come on his head: for the child shall be a Nazirite unto ‘Elohiym from the womb: and he shall begin to deliver Yisra’el out of the hand of the immigrants.
And, as to the phrase “he was numbered with the transgressors” being some kind of cryptic message that he was the CAESAR's numbered chattel property; it just isn’t so!
To verify this, simply go look at the other 40 times that the Greek word logizomai is used throughout the New Testament/Covenant. It means that he was "reckoned among" (Luke 22:37), i.e. he was "judged with" the transgressors.
JUDG'ED, pp. Heard and determined; tried judicially; sentenced; censured; doomed. (Ibid.)
Or go study the root words given for logizomai, this too will positively set aside the notion that this was some kind of cryptic message that Yahushua was, or is, the numbered chattel property of the CAESAR.
So, who is right? We perceive that brother Owen is correct in saying, that the anointed one "was not registered" (with the CAESAR), just as the anointed ones today "are not registered with the CAESAR".
As to whether we should “have a new name” when we become dead to the world, how does the Scripture answer this?
Paul says “if any man be in the Anointed, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new”. If we are a “new creature” should we stay with the same old name or are "old things...passed away"? When a caterpillar metamorphoses into a “new creature” does it retain the same old name?
One shall say, I am Yahuwah's; and another shall call himself by the name of Ya'acob [Jacob] ; and another shall grave (write) with his hand unto Yahuwah, and surname himself by the name of Yisra'el.
brother Robert: fellowcitizen of the commonwealth of Yisar'el,
NOT the man-made, fictional STATE OF ISRAEL.
Ephesians 2:12 & 19 |
| DerekR |
Posted - 19 Jan 2004 : 11:07:13
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Originally posted by Caleb
Brother Owen,
Maybe if you gave us some examples, we could offer ideas on how to do things differently next time. I argued with a judge over the ALL CAPS name and he sent me back behind bars. He was discerning my heart, and the driver's license and bank cards found in my wallet were enough to prove that, though I knew the Law, I was not living it fully. I got rid of those false witnesses and had much better results the next time.
There is more to the picture than the ALL CAPS name. Do you have a street address? That marks you as one of theirs as surely as the name or a SSN. Lose that, and they lose all power over you. If they can't locate you, it makes it very difficult to control you. Have you cancelled licenses, car registrations, corporate employment, insurance, bank accounts, etc? With these, the system knows they still own you and will ignore any claims to the contrary.
The reality is that this is all or nothing. The beast will not allow you to live with one foot in each kingdom. This are fulfilling our Father's will when they do this. Once you understand this, you will see that it is not a matter of hiding our identity, but of walking consistently in His kingdom and our true identity in Messiah.
Could you enlighten me on how to accomplish this. No offense meant, but I am married, and she and I need to live. I plan to have kids, and they need resources too. The only way I can get resources to live is by working for the man. I have yet to see another option presented. I can become a hobo, and live on the streets I guess, but um I just dont see that as an option. How do I live a life, support my wife, and provide for a family in Caesars world, without his marks and numbers. The problem is, it shouldnt be a conflict to live as Jesus and the bible tell us, but honestly go ahead and try. And the life you end up living is no life, but a life of trials and "Gods will".
Now as to the topic. My name is Derek. And God willing I will live up to that name. |
| doer |
Posted - 18 May 2003 : 17:51:47
Owen,
Without seeing the text of your copyright, it is impossible to know if you accounted for most contingencies. There must be a "self-executing" clause in there, to bind violators of your name to the contract. As for enforcing the copyright contract, you can use either the UCC process or Common Law. Contact Lewis about this, as he is most up to snuff on the issues.
Be Well,
Doer |
| Robert-James |
Posted - 18 May 2003 : 17:03:08
Owen, greetings. Yahushua was registered through his Dad Y{J}oseph. If you will notice Luke 2:1-6. Also, somewhat cryptically, "He was numbered with the transgressers". Yahushua was the first to break out and receive the new birth. He left a Way for Us to follow Him to Fathers Kingdom. He was tempted in...all points... such as we are. Religion re-binds people. The Truth sets One free. The legal fiction name of the messiah is JESUS, Luke 1:31 and Matthew 1:21. The KJV has the Truth hidden before our very eyes. |
| Owenbrittont |
Posted - 18 May 2003 : 16:16:17
Remeber Christ was not "registered". So that plays quite differently.
Do not give the Godly (name) to the ungodly (NAME) .. too late it's already done.
What's got me to the point of nearly pulling my hair out is this copyright thing..... I've done it, ..... they laugh....HOW DO YOU ENFORCE IT ???????????? |
| Caleb |
Posted - 17 May 2003 : 23:00:43
Brother Owen,
If you are in the courtroom, what is wrong with being arrested? Let them drag you to the bar, and when the judge addresses you, ask "are you addressing me?" At this point you have done nothing to respond to "the name". If you do respond, then a maxim kicks in which says that the presence of the body cures the fault in the name. This is why they can ignore all your protestations from that point on. If they have dragged you there by force, you have not cured the fault for them.
Once the judge says he is addressing you, you can respond with an explanation of who you are. This can be closed with "further I say not and I stand mute." This precludes all further games they may use to try to trick you into responding to "the name".
It is also helpful to build up a list of questions to ask them regarding how their system of "law" works, so that if they insist on ignoring the name problem you actually create bigger problems for them. You tell the judge there are some issues you need to "understand" before you can know how to plead to their charges. I came up with about fifty such questions that would have shredded all credibility of the court had they been hostile towards me.
Armed with these questions in case it failed, I made my point about "the name" in a unique way. If you want to avoid arrest, then when "the name" is called, step up to the bar. The first words out of your mouth should state that the "person" on the charge sheet is dead, but that you are there by visitation to help clear up the matter. Then instead of arguing "that's not my name", you can present yourself as a living and lawful Christian man, as opposed to the dead (in law) "person" they have charges against. Now who are they going to arrest or charge? You must not answer to "the name" after this, but if you can avoid doing so, this effectively rebuts their presumption that the man who stepped up to the bar was a "person" answering to "the name".
If you are looking for one "loophole" to slip out of their system with, they will inevitably trap you even if it works once or twice. On the other hand, if you are alive (and know you are), and you can "see" how dead their system is, you will soon find hole after hole to use against them. The ALL CAPS name is an important issue, but it is merely the first of their multitude of false presumptions that can be rebutted if Messiah has made us alive in Him. |
| berkano |
Posted - 17 May 2003 : 20:24:46
Excellent points, Doer.
It is difficult to illustrate the web of slavery that the masses live under. People are brainwashed into thinking America is the Land of the Free, Home of the Brave. In reality, nothing has changed since feudal times. Men still live on the fief and dole out their portion to the lord or king for the benefit of protection or the benefit of not having their homes burned down.
For those of you who can stomach a very violent movie, I would suggest you watch Braveheart, starring Mel Gibson. That movie shows the exact same situation that Americans are in today. The only differences between the time of William Wallace and now are simple and cosmetic: Now instead of Prima Noctur the government exercises a so-called right far more damaging than one act of rape--it forces people to put their children in public schools so their minds can be raped over one hundred days per year for twelve years; Instead of requiring men to pay protection to the Lord who gets his title from the King, men pay protection money to the tax bureaus who get their title from the de facto military power. The only thing that has changed is the names of offices and the technology. Americans still live under a violent feudal society and are brainwashed to think otherwise.
The other major difference is that the Americans are like dumb sheep; the ancient Scottish were not; they repelled English tyranny to the death. |
| doer |
Posted - 17 May 2003 : 19:54:49
Let us keep in mind that this whole system and process is all a bunch of BULL-oney. The ONLY reason that we are required to go through these mental and legal gymnastics, is that humanity throughout recorded history, allowed others to control them -- ostensibly for certain "benefits." This is all based on the "original sin" -- where the First Guy was tempted by the greed for power, and ended up sacrificing his birthright for the illusion.
We still have that birthright. We just do not know it. Two thousand years ago, The Guy From Nazareth came back to remind us of this fact. The people were so grateful, that they crucified Him.
So we now are required to learn these legal gymnastics in order to reclaim our birthright. Those that do not put in the effort, will forever remain slaves to the illusion that we can get "something for nothing." -- That Big Brother Government will "take care of us" -- if only we just make another law to restrict our freedom -- whether through additional taxes, licenses or countless welfare programs set up for our "benefit."
So be advised to undertake the task at hand in earnest. It is already a few minutes before midnight, on the Cosmic Clock of EVIL-ution. We really have NO TIME LEFT to prepare ourselves for the onslaughts that are nigh upon us.
I follow the Financial Markets closely. Over the past few decades, “volatility” has increased dramatically. People are taking far greater risks because their greed is out of control. Having lost a fortune in the Markets, they go back risking even more in an attempt to recoup their losses. The recent stock market “bubble” was the greatest in recorded history. Already, something like NINE TRILLION DOLLARS has been “lost” in the Markets. It is really not “lost,” because when one trader loses, another wins. So it has only been TRANSFERRED to the Money Mongers. The “little guy” is always sucked in at the end and loses everything. So those houses that were mortgaged to “invest” in the stock market, are now owned by the banks.
Under these circumstances, those “investments” are really the world’s biggest crap game. The “little guy” is sucked in because of his greed – the “something for nothing” mentality again. He does not understand that the Markets are totally manipulated. It has happened countless times before. Always the same scenario, and always the same result is accomplished in the end. The Money Mongers squeeze us for all that we are worth.
Bankruptcies are increasing at a record rate again. This, after they set a record last year -- again. So the slaves must be kept in the dark. “Bread and circus” is the answer. After a hard day, Joe Sixpack plumps down on the easy chair and turns on the “tube.” All of this does not bode well for a rise in awareness.
Therefore, we must take up the cause.
First we must free ourselves. This is done by understanding WHO WE REALLY ARE -- in relation to our Creator. Then we have little problem in communicating our understanding to Caesar. BUT we need the Common Law to communicate with Caesar. That is the ONLY thing that he understands, so we must be deeply steeped in its nuances. His attempts at keeping us in the dark will then no longer be effective. Our example will be as a light for others to follow.
Then we must help others to free themselves.
Be Well,
Doer
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| Lewish |
Posted - 17 May 2003 : 15:04:03
Well, if your name is copyrighted, they can not use it without paying for its use. For those who want to know more about the common-law copyright, send me a private message, with your e-mail address, and I will respond to that e-mail address.
Now, as how to respond when the "judge" calls your all caps name, you simply answer "I am the Secured Party for the person called." If the judge then wants to get into what your living soul name is, you simply reply that your name is your personal copyrighted property and is he asking you to hand over your personal property without compensation? He may choose to do so, but if he does, then you can sue him in civil court for theft of personal property. You can also then get the state Attorney General involved and file criminal charges against him. What else you can do depends on how far you want to carry it.
Peace,
Lewis |
| Owenbrittont |
Posted - 17 May 2003 : 14:21:10
The problem here in Pennsylvania is that when the "judge" calls the likeness of your name .... If you don't respoind they issue an arrest warrant. If you do respond... and say something to the affect of how you Christian and family name appelations are spelled they plow right through it saying something to the effect of same name, same spelling, caps donot matter.
Knowing the name or likeness of the all caps. they look up the D.O.B. then get the SS number and the former driver's license and then pronounce you guilty and or cuff and stuff you. |
| berkano |
Posted - 13 May 2003 : 16:57:00
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Originally posted by Lewish
Hi Owenbritton,
I was born in Penna. I have copyrighted my name here is Washington state. I am sending a copy to be recorded in my county of birth. After that, I am preparing a letter to send to the Dept. of Health, Vital Records, which will force them to seal all their information about me. Then Caesar won't have ready access to it.
Lewis
I would certainly like to know about the process of copyrighting the name. It sounds very interesting as if there is something to learn about it. Where does one find information about it?
- Berkano |
| Lewish |
Posted - 13 May 2003 : 13:10:48
Hi Owenbritton,
I was born in Penna. I have copyrighted my name here is Washington state. I am sending a copy to be recorded in my county of birth. After that, I am preparing a letter to send to the Dept. of Health, Vital Records, which will force them to seal all their information about me. Then Caesar won't have ready access to it.
Lewis |
| Lewish |
Posted - 13 May 2003 : 13:07:22
Hi Robert-James,
I hold a similar belief as to when he was born. It most certainly wasn't in December.
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| Caleb |
Posted - 13 May 2003 : 05:03:00
Brother Owen,
Maybe if you gave us some examples, we could offer ideas on how to do things differently next time. I argued with a judge over the ALL CAPS name and he sent me back behind bars. He was discerning my heart, and the driver's license and bank cards found in my wallet were enough to prove that, though I knew the Law, I was not living it fully. I got rid of those false witnesses and had much better results the next time.
There is more to the picture than the ALL CAPS name. Do you have a street address? That marks you as one of theirs as surely as the name or a SSN. Lose that, and they lose all power over you. If they can't locate you, it makes it very difficult to control you. Have you cancelled licenses, car registrations, corporate employment, insurance, bank accounts, etc? With these, the system knows they still own you and will ignore any claims to the contrary.
The reality is that this is all or nothing. The beast will not allow you to live with one foot in each kingdom. This are fulfilling our Father's will when they do this. Once you understand this, you will see that it is not a matter of hiding our identity, but of walking consistently in His kingdom and our true identity in Messiah. |
| DanielJacob |
Posted - 12 May 2003 : 23:50:12
Owen,
Here is the real world situation. Never confirm or deny those fictions. How do you do that? When asked what your birth date is just say you don't know. You don't really! Do you know how many different calendars there are? Never, carry anything on your person that can identify you as a fiction, even if you have those things. If they want a signature, don't give it. If they want your fingerprints, make them steal them. If they claim that you are someone, you can answer that the name on their papers is not you. When they ask you your name you can tell them that your Father never told you what it was, but, if they call you Owen, you will answer. If they ask if you are trying to be a smarta##, then you can ask them if they want you to say the Truth or do they just want to hear what they want to hear. Remember, their reality is much different than our reality. Fictions only exist in the mind of those that believe that they are real. Always think about what you are going to answer or say before you say it. They must have you give them what they seek voluntarily! They must get the information from your mouth. No man can be compelled to witness against himself. If you don't know how to answer, keep your mouth shut! According to Judge Bork, eighty-five percent of the people in prison are they because of admissions and confessions.
Peace brother.
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| Robert-James |
Posted - 12 May 2003 : 17:59:10
Greetings. Jura sanguinis nullo jure dirimi possunt, a law maxim that states in English: The right of blood and kindred cannot be destroyed by any civil law. Put another Way...the Abrahamic covenants are unconditional. YHWH has sworn an oath to bring things about in due season. Try having a date of nativity rather than the military term, d.o.b. Yahushuah ben Yoseph was the son of Yoseph. And We all know the real Father was YHWH. Since all must be born again, stands to reason we should have two different days of our nativity, one flesh, and one spirit. Problem is that most all are still in the womb, for once born again, as Yahushuah says in John 3:3 "except a man be born again he cannot SEE the Kingdom of Yahuweh".
For what it is worth, the world and Yahushua's own family had very serious doubts as to his sanity. Think it will be any different for you? |
| Owenbrittont |
Posted - 12 May 2003 : 16:59:19
The world will still associate your given Christian and family names with the FICTION because the given Christian and family names were turned in and registered with the Certificate of Live Birth (which has the names in upper and lower case letters).
I personally have forsaken the State I.D. and SSN. I know I will never be perfect on this earth, under my own power, but I am struggling with God's grace and help to leave the old man behind. The problem is the "old man's" records keep popping up and the scenario between the all caps and proper spelling has been played out time and time again , in Pa. , with no avail. Their concept... once registered always registered.
There is another option for a birth date .... date is an approximation ... not an exact day. This tends to point me to the approximate time we were formed in the womb. (Approximately 9 months prior to our breathing our first breath). Unfortunately this method has caused even more problems... falsifying facts (Birth certificate i.e. certificate of live birth). A criminal charge in Pa.. |
| Robert-James |
Posted - 12 May 2003 : 15:57:20
Lewish. Many have discerned that the year of his death-burial-resurrection was so called...30 a.d. Also the Catholic monk who figured the A.D. dating forgot the year zero. Yahushua was born on the day of atonement...for this reason was he even born!. To die {solar based} on the feast day of passover would make him have walked among us as a man 12,240 days. And-but Paul says that he knew Him no more after the flesh. 11Cor.5:16. He now knew Him in Spirit and Truth. Revelations 3:11 says that the Messiah has a new name. We all seem to have known Him as Jesus, and his new name is His re-newed name, YaHuSHuAH...the name appointed to Him by YaHuWeH's messenger-angel.
I have a dear Brother here near me, and he totally left behind his sir name. He is now Brother Robert. If pressed for a sir name it is: House of Israel. When taken to jail for traveling with out govt. papers, they will find out the old name-identity through fingerprints. Yet, Brother Robert is who He says He is, not who the beast says he is.
So far, there is no absolute Way for each of Us to answer this question of names, other than what the spirit teaches us. I have kept the sir name-family name for the natural body, spelled properly...upper/lower cased spelling. He has given me a name to know Myself, yet I don't share this with others. Circumspect.
The sacred calendar will most definately be restored, and is being restored. 5407 is the year of Adam, according to the septuagint. Bishop Unger used the KJV and came up with 4004 b.c. One figure is wrong. |
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